Comments on: A Thumbs Down for Hentai Games

By: Snazzy Sneezer

Snazzy Sneezer — Sat, 26 Jul 2008 00:13:48 +0000

Interesting, the statement “Just imagine if the concept of movies started only with porn movies.”
It did!
It’s not generally known, nor bruited about, but the first uses of both still and movie photography were for porn. All the early films, etc. were crude but nevertheless obvious porn films.
This of coure, was before anything was filmed for public consumption. Then it began to go commercial, or at least conforming, as the say, to community standards.
But read up on your early film history. You’ll be surprised . . .

By: Bonnie Ruberg

Bonnie Ruberg — Tue, 29 May 2007 19:32:13 +0000

I definitely understand your reaction. Again, I’m not speaking from a place of great personal knowledge, but what I know of hentai games does make it seem like they’re not using the medium to its greatest potential. My main point is just that any area of sex, even if it’s socially unacceptable sex, should be given a fair chance to shine (without judgment) in hentai.

By: Leokhorn

Leokhorn — Sun, 27 May 2007 17:02:45 +0000

I realize my reaction was very subjective and hasty. Let’s just say that while I looked into hentai games by lusty curiosity to begin with, I discovered many of them held more than just mindless sex. And going from there, I probably just ignored the 90 other percents of games that *were* just mindless sex.

Right now, I’m part of a community of visual novel makers… The “games” play just like these hentai ones, except none so far have had any porn in them. They all focus on the story and take advantage of this unique medium using pictures, music and interactivity.

So… my reaction was more of a disappointment about people not seeing the potential… though it’s certainly not their fault here. Just imagine if the concept of movies started only with porn movies… Wouldn’t you want people to discover that you could make other types of movies using the same techniques? :)

By: Bonnie Ruberg

Bonnie Ruberg — Sun, 20 May 2007 21:30:36 +0000

I definitely think you’re right about the random selection issue, but I’m not sure that you can compare the sex in hentai games to the sex in blockbuster movies. Again, I readily admit I’m not a hentai player, but I’ve been looking back through the promotion material for a lot of the games on Play-Asia, and sex is pretty prominent on all the covers…

By: Leokhorn

Leokhorn — Fri, 18 May 2007 17:33:21 +0000

Quite an arbitratry “guide”, this one. Sadly representing the view of most people out there. The main mistake is that they just randomly picked three games out of the hundreds (and more) that exist… and certainly not the best ones.
It’s like picking three bad RPGs or FPS games and deciding the whole genre sucks.

They were disappointed because they were looking for porn… yet, hentai games are not porn in the strictest sense of the word. They’re more like novels about various topics, with sex added. Most hentai games are really just an excuse for sex scenes, but some of them are actual little gems telling complex stories with an adult tone. Most of the time, the sex is just there to sell, just like blockbuster movies tend to have a shower scene.

By: Bonnie Ruberg

Bonnie Ruberg — Thu, 17 May 2007 17:38:54 +0000

My point isn’t that everything is “nothing,” it’s just that… Well, like I said, we need a clean slate to start constructive discourse.

Is there anything online that really offends me? Sure, people being used against their will: footage of actual rape, or child pornography. But as long as those involved in real-life sex acts are consenting adults, or if sex takes place in the realm of fantasy (this is where the H-games come in), I think it has a right to acknowledged as legitimate before it’s deconstructed.

By: not that anyone likes rape but

not that anyone likes rape but — Thu, 17 May 2007 14:32:06 +0000

True - we shouldn’t have witchhunts. But how many people have a clean slate? It makes sense to push for being sex-positive. But our reaction to unconventional sex is the interesting part. If everyone thought “it’s all good,” reading about sex would be as much fun as reading about Starbucks coffee. And if the Europeans are creeped out by battleraping virgins, that seems like a pretty normal reaction, and one that’s hard to just wave away.

Put another way - have you run into anything online that really, truly offended you? Or scared you? Earlier you criticized Dan Savage for treating cybersex as if it were nothing - and I agreed with you. But treating a battlerape game as if it were just another fantasy seems like the same kind of dismissal.

By: Bonnie Ruberg

Bonnie Ruberg — Thu, 17 May 2007 14:07:06 +0000

Certainly. But first we need to establish a clean, non-judgmental slate before we can embark on constructive, critical analysis. Otherwise the foundation for that criticism is itself shoddy.

By: not that I like rape but

not that I like rape but — Thu, 17 May 2007 13:11:36 +0000

It’s good to be open-minded, but you’re also here to think critically. Games about raping young virgins are “problematic.” I think you could do better than just give them a blank check (especially if you’ve never played one).

By: Bonnie Ruberg

Bonnie Ruberg — Thu, 17 May 2007 02:33:31 +0000

Ah, we’ve got an expert :). Are you an H-game fan?