Comments on: Narrative by Gender Lines? http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2006/09/01/narrative-by-gender-lines/ Mon, 15 Mar 2010 00:12:15 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Mickle http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2006/09/01/narrative-by-gender-lines/comment-page-1/#comment-19118 Mickle Mon, 02 Oct 2006 10:57:28 +0000 http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2006/09/01/narrative-by-gender-lines/#comment-19118 "My intuition is that this is connected to the classic gender-studies "validation by self" / "validation through others" divide. Wanting to win the game, on one hand, and wanting to win in others' estimation on the other. " And this is why it's dangerous to try to explain the differences with a pat answer. I get how socializing is validation through others, but how in the world is <i>exploring</i> validation through others? Seems like just plain curiosity to me. The killers and acheivers being "validation by self" seems a little shaky to me as well, seeing as how the whole point is often to compare yourself to others. It's not quite on the level of socializing, but peer status plays a role. “My intuition is that this is connected to the classic gender-studies "validation by self" / "validation through others" divide. Wanting to win the game, on one hand, and wanting to win in others' estimation on the other. ”

And this is why it’s dangerous to try to explain the differences with a pat answer.

I get how socializing is validation through others, but how in the world is exploring validation through others? Seems like just plain curiosity to me.

The killers and acheivers being “validation by self” seems a little shaky to me as well, seeing as how the whole point is often to compare yourself to others. It’s not quite on the level of socializing, but peer status plays a role.

]]> By: Bonnie http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2006/09/01/narrative-by-gender-lines/comment-page-1/#comment-17937 Bonnie Mon, 11 Sep 2006 02:13:56 +0000 http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2006/09/01/narrative-by-gender-lines/#comment-17937 Ah, the old (touchy) inherent difference debate. It certainly does become a fine line when you're talking about differences in tendencies (or in gender constructions) vs. differences in sexes themselves. Even cynics can get mauled ;). Ah, the old (touchy) inherent difference debate. It certainly does become a fine line when you’re talking about differences in tendencies (or in gender constructions) vs. differences in sexes themselves. Even cynics can get mauled ;).

]]> By: Richard A. Bartle http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2006/09/01/narrative-by-gender-lines/comment-page-1/#comment-17878 Richard A. Bartle Sun, 10 Sep 2006 10:28:31 +0000 http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2006/09/01/narrative-by-gender-lines/#comment-17878 Bonnie>I suppose that makes me a cynic :)? I wonder what makes that cynical though? If, in the paper, I had asserted such a tendency for playing styles to partition along gender lines, I'd have been shot down for suggesting that there may be some differences between men and women. Therefore, to record the observation, I had to couch it in terms that would stave off such an assault. This was somewhat cynical of me, therefore the line "A cynic might suggest...". Richard Bonnie>I suppose that makes me a cynic :)? I wonder what makes that cynical though?

If, in the paper, I had asserted such a tendency for playing styles to partition along gender lines, I’d have been shot down for suggesting that there may be some differences between men and women. Therefore, to record the observation, I had to couch it in terms that would stave off such an assault. This was somewhat cynical of me, therefore the line “A cynic might suggest…”.

Richard

]]> By: Sam Kelly http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2006/09/01/narrative-by-gender-lines/comment-page-1/#comment-17862 Sam Kelly Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:17:38 +0000 http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2006/09/01/narrative-by-gender-lines/#comment-17862 My intuition is that this is connected to the classic gender-studies "validation by self" / "validation through others" divide. Wanting to win the game, on one hand, and wanting to win in others' estimation on the other. My intuition is that this is connected to the classic gender-studies “validation by self” / “validation through others” divide. Wanting to win the game, on one hand, and wanting to win in others’ estimation on the other.

]]> By: MD² http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2006/09/01/narrative-by-gender-lines/comment-page-1/#comment-17628 MD² Thu, 07 Sep 2006 02:43:23 +0000 http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2006/09/01/narrative-by-gender-lines/#comment-17628 Thanks for the MUD paper, this made great reading, and helped me find the answer to some problem I've had for some time. I had never really understood where my uneasiness around some "paladin" or self-appointed bodyguard players in MMORPGs is coming from. Simple: they're killer-socialisers. Thanks for the MUD paper, this made great reading, and helped me find the answer to some problem I’ve had for some time.
I had never really understood where my uneasiness around some “paladin” or self-appointed bodyguard players in MMORPGs is coming from. Simple: they’re killer-socialisers.

]]> By: FerrousBuller http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2006/09/01/narrative-by-gender-lines/comment-page-1/#comment-17593 FerrousBuller Wed, 06 Sep 2006 20:16:08 +0000 http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2006/09/01/narrative-by-gender-lines/#comment-17593 42. 42.

]]> By: Bonnie http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2006/09/01/narrative-by-gender-lines/comment-page-1/#comment-17578 Bonnie Wed, 06 Sep 2006 15:03:29 +0000 http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2006/09/01/narrative-by-gender-lines/#comment-17578 But why? <i>Why</i>?! But why? Why?!

]]> By: FerrousBuller http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2006/09/01/narrative-by-gender-lines/comment-page-1/#comment-17577 FerrousBuller Wed, 06 Sep 2006 15:01:56 +0000 http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2006/09/01/narrative-by-gender-lines/#comment-17577 "Someone tell me the answer!" Girls like stories, boys like winning by blowing up crap? Hey, I never said I had the <i>right</i> answer... “Someone tell me the answer!”

Girls like stories, boys like winning by blowing up crap?

Hey, I never said I had the right answer…

]]> By: Bonnie http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2006/09/01/narrative-by-gender-lines/comment-page-1/#comment-17574 Bonnie Wed, 06 Sep 2006 14:38:27 +0000 http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2006/09/01/narrative-by-gender-lines/#comment-17574 <b>Now as to why that's the case is beyond the scope of a humble blog comment such as this"¦ :-)</b> Or a humble <b>blog</b> like this. Someone tell me the answer! :) Now as to why that's the case is beyond the scope of a humble blog comment such as this"¦ :-)
Or a humble blog like this. Someone tell me the answer! :)

]]> By: FerrousBuller http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2006/09/01/narrative-by-gender-lines/comment-page-1/#comment-17510 FerrousBuller Tue, 05 Sep 2006 16:28:32 +0000 http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2006/09/01/narrative-by-gender-lines/#comment-17510 I think it's fair to say that women tend to skew towards narratives, men tend to skew towards mechanics - not just in games, but elsewhere in life. Men are more prone to liking conflict and competition, which covers everything from football to action movies. Now as to <i>why</i> that's the case is beyond the scope of a humble blog comment such as this... :-) I think it’s fair to say that women tend to skew towards narratives, men tend to skew towards mechanics – not just in games, but elsewhere in life. Men are more prone to liking conflict and competition, which covers everything from football to action movies.

Now as to why that’s the case is beyond the scope of a humble blog comment such as this… :-)

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