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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Video Games, Pornography, and the Question of Interactivity&#8221;</title>
	<link>http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2005/11/29/video-games-pornography-interactivity/</link>
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		<title>By: Bonnie</title>
		<link>http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2005/11/29/video-games-pornography-interactivity/#comment-582</link>
		<dc:creator>Bonnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2005 00:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2005/11/29/video-games-pornography-interactivity/#comment-582</guid>
		<description>No worries, MD^2, you make plenty of sense!  But sleep is still good :-).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No worries, MD^2, you make plenty of sense!  But sleep is still good :-).</p>
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		<title>By: MDÂ²</title>
		<link>http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2005/11/29/video-games-pornography-interactivity/#comment-581</link>
		<dc:creator>MDÂ²</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2005 04:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2005/11/29/video-games-pornography-interactivity/#comment-581</guid>
		<description>Sorry about the article misreading (I've been on less than three hour's sleep a day for a week now, and it's starting to show ;) )

Note that I specificaly used the word productivity because I did  not had procreation in mind. While live-action pornography is &lt;i&gt;perceived&lt;/i&gt; as being the use of arousal as it&apos;s own end, it's value is more of a control tool of sexual tension, and, being a fiction, thus a narrative, a programming tool (but I guess this  is a non-acknowledged gain...).

I guess I'll stop there for now and go have my three hours worth of sleep, I'm having even more touble than usual to make any sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about the article misreading (I&#8217;ve been on less than three hour&#8217;s sleep a day for a week now, and it&#8217;s starting to show ;) )</p>
<p>Note that I specificaly used the word productivity because I did  not had procreation in mind. While live-action pornography is <i>perceived</i> as being the use of arousal as it&apos;s own end, it&#8217;s value is more of a control tool of sexual tension, and, being a fiction, thus a narrative, a programming tool (but I guess this  is a non-acknowledged gain&#8230;).</p>
<p>I guess I&#8217;ll stop there for now and go have my three hours worth of sleep, I&#8217;m having even more touble than usual to make any sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Bonnie</title>
		<link>http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2005/11/29/video-games-pornography-interactivity/#comment-580</link>
		<dc:creator>Bonnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2005 00:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2005/11/29/video-games-pornography-interactivity/#comment-580</guid>
		<description>A couple quick things, MD^2: in the flash game mentioned in the article, you don't play as a woman pleasuring herself, you play as someone else acting upon her - to the point where you can even drug her (if you build up enough money/points).

Also, interesting point about non-productive sex not "working" - but I think it probably goes beyond on.  Live-action pornography, for example, doesn't involve procreation, though it might inspire real-life actions that bring it about.  The same goes for in-game (interactive or non-interactive) sex.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple quick things, MD^2: in the flash game mentioned in the article, you don&#8217;t play as a woman pleasuring herself, you play as someone else acting upon her - to the point where you can even drug her (if you build up enough money/points).</p>
<p>Also, interesting point about non-productive sex not &#8220;working&#8221; - but I think it probably goes beyond on.  Live-action pornography, for example, doesn&#8217;t involve procreation, though it might inspire real-life actions that bring it about.  The same goes for in-game (interactive or non-interactive) sex.</p>
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		<title>By: MDÂ²</title>
		<link>http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2005/11/29/video-games-pornography-interactivity/#comment-577</link>
		<dc:creator>MDÂ²</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2005 13:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2005/11/29/video-games-pornography-interactivity/#comment-577</guid>
		<description>Also, while I think about it, a reason why sex as a video game might not work (provoke laughter as a depreciative protection reaction): it doesn't yet fit in a model in which it would improve productivity (the same way our society have to morally shun suicide or drugs, because accepting them can only be detrimental to general productivity, as we do not possess a frame like, say pre-modern Japan, where suicide could be justified as a specialised productive tool of worth).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, while I think about it, a reason why sex as a video game might not work (provoke laughter as a depreciative protection reaction): it doesn&#8217;t yet fit in a model in which it would improve productivity (the same way our society have to morally shun suicide or drugs, because accepting them can only be detrimental to general productivity, as we do not possess a frame like, say pre-modern Japan, where suicide could be justified as a specialised productive tool of worth).</p>
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		<title>By: MDÂ²</title>
		<link>http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2005/11/29/video-games-pornography-interactivity/#comment-576</link>
		<dc:creator>MDÂ²</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2005 12:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2005/11/29/video-games-pornography-interactivity/#comment-576</guid>
		<description>Finally could read your article.

Eroticism is the use of arousal as a mean to something else, pornography is the use of arousal as its own end (or at least perceived as it's own end).
I like this simple definition, even if it's not totally accurate.

I think you focused too much on the interactive side of things and not enough on the inherent schyzophrenic nature of videogames as narrative tools: If I actualy play the woman pleasuring herself, I am the woman as much as I'm the player (male or female) giving orders (If Mario falls into a trap "I" die). That's what I found most interesting in video games: they're probably the next big tool of recoding/surcoding (to speak like Deleuze), as they actualy lay bare the way narrative is coding us (the way the "he" of society imposes itself on the "I" of the reader).
But then I've been too deep into that stuff  for too long. Made nice reading, and helped set the debate in motion, which is quite enough of a feat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally could read your article.</p>
<p>Eroticism is the use of arousal as a mean to something else, pornography is the use of arousal as its own end (or at least perceived as it&#8217;s own end).<br />
I like this simple definition, even if it&#8217;s not totally accurate.</p>
<p>I think you focused too much on the interactive side of things and not enough on the inherent schyzophrenic nature of videogames as narrative tools: If I actualy play the woman pleasuring herself, I am the woman as much as I&#8217;m the player (male or female) giving orders (If Mario falls into a trap &#8220;I&#8221; die). That&#8217;s what I found most interesting in video games: they&#8217;re probably the next big tool of recoding/surcoding (to speak like Deleuze), as they actualy lay bare the way narrative is coding us (the way the &#8220;he&#8221; of society imposes itself on the &#8220;I&#8221; of the reader).<br />
But then I&#8217;ve been too deep into that stuff  for too long. Made nice reading, and helped set the debate in motion, which is quite enough of a feat.</p>
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		<title>By: Bonnie</title>
		<link>http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2005/11/29/video-games-pornography-interactivity/#comment-563</link>
		<dc:creator>Bonnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2005/11/29/video-games-pornography-interactivity/#comment-563</guid>
		<description>Brummbar, again, I totally hear you.  So few people are willing to talk about that openly - the mechanics and pure development process behind interactive sex.  There was recently a Game Design Challenge up at the Montreal Games sumit based on sex that sort of addressed that question, but a lot of the entries were more subtle than what I think either of us are talking about.

As for what's controlled in games at the moment: shooting (general weaponry), operating vehicles, bodily fighting... Gosh, I meant to make a whole list here, but in one way or another that seems to cover everything.  Except, of course, in what we consider "weird" games or mini-games. I'm thinking &lt;i&gt;Feel the Magic&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brummbar, again, I totally hear you.  So few people are willing to talk about that openly - the mechanics and pure development process behind interactive sex.  There was recently a Game Design Challenge up at the Montreal Games sumit based on sex that sort of addressed that question, but a lot of the entries were more subtle than what I think either of us are talking about.</p>
<p>As for what&#8217;s controlled in games at the moment: shooting (general weaponry), operating vehicles, bodily fighting&#8230; Gosh, I meant to make a whole list here, but in one way or another that seems to cover everything.  Except, of course, in what we consider &#8220;weird&#8221; games or mini-games. I&#8217;m thinking <i>Feel the Magic</i></p>
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		<title>By: Brummbar</title>
		<link>http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2005/11/29/video-games-pornography-interactivity/#comment-561</link>
		<dc:creator>Brummbar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2005 01:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2005/11/29/video-games-pornography-interactivity/#comment-561</guid>
		<description>"Funny because it's true," as they say.

That said, I wonder how many aspects of life are really represented in gaming - apart from operating vehicles, running around and shooting people, that is. 

Seriously, I would like to see some attention given to the actual mechanics of sex-in-games. Not because I'm a pervert - although I am - but because I think some of those basic questions should be answered before we move onto some manner of Kinseyesque analysis. First let's see how (and if) it actually WORKS before we consider what it MEANS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Funny because it&#8217;s true,&#8221; as they say.</p>
<p>That said, I wonder how many aspects of life are really represented in gaming - apart from operating vehicles, running around and shooting people, that is. </p>
<p>Seriously, I would like to see some attention given to the actual mechanics of sex-in-games. Not because I&#8217;m a pervert - although I am - but because I think some of those basic questions should be answered before we move onto some manner of Kinseyesque analysis. First let&#8217;s see how (and if) it actually WORKS before we consider what it MEANS.</p>
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		<title>By: Bonnie</title>
		<link>http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2005/11/29/video-games-pornography-interactivity/#comment-559</link>
		<dc:creator>Bonnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2005 02:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2005/11/29/video-games-pornography-interactivity/#comment-559</guid>
		<description>Hey, Brummbar.  You know, it's strange: Those are funny questions definitely, but they're also totally legitimate questions.  We represent so many other aspects of life with detail and precision of gameplay, why not interactive sex?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Brummbar.  You know, it&#8217;s strange: Those are funny questions definitely, but they&#8217;re also totally legitimate questions.  We represent so many other aspects of life with detail and precision of gameplay, why not interactive sex?</p>
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		<title>By: Natalie</title>
		<link>http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2005/11/29/video-games-pornography-interactivity/#comment-558</link>
		<dc:creator>Natalie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 02:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2005/11/29/video-games-pornography-interactivity/#comment-558</guid>
		<description>You're totally right, Bonnie.  I really do love The Escapist.  I had to get it off my chest--was curious to know if I was being kooky or if anyone else had noticed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re totally right, Bonnie.  I really do love The Escapist.  I had to get it off my chest&#8211;was curious to know if I was being kooky or if anyone else had noticed.</p>
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		<title>By: Brummbar</title>
		<link>http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2005/11/29/video-games-pornography-interactivity/#comment-557</link>
		<dc:creator>Brummbar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 01:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2005/11/29/video-games-pornography-interactivity/#comment-557</guid>
		<description>I still maintain that an actual interactive sex scene (talk about HotKeys) would probably make me laugh so hard that I would crack my ribs.

I mean, would there be MouseLook? Could you save the game halfway through or have to wait for a checkpoint? How would alt-fire work? What about Bullet Time slo-mo? 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still maintain that an actual interactive sex scene (talk about HotKeys) would probably make me laugh so hard that I would crack my ribs.</p>
<p>I mean, would there be MouseLook? Could you save the game halfway through or have to wait for a checkpoint? How would alt-fire work? What about Bullet Time slo-mo?</p>
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