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	<title>Comments on: Pornographic Machinima: the Art of Voyeurism</title>
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		<title>By: Bonnie</title>
		<link>http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2005/10/10/pornographic-machinima-the-art-of-voyeurism/#comment-650</link>
		<dc:creator>Bonnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2005 18:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed.  But, hey, if I hadn't written it, it would have been a sweet heads-up :-).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed.  But, hey, if I hadn&#8217;t written it, it would have been a sweet heads-up :-).</p>
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		<title>By: Bonnie</title>
		<link>http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2005/10/10/pornographic-machinima-the-art-of-voyeurism/#comment-649</link>
		<dc:creator>Bonnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2005 18:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed.  But, hey, if I hadn't written it, it would have been a sweet heads-up :-).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed.  But, hey, if I hadn&#8217;t written it, it would have been a sweet heads-up :-).</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2005/10/10/pornographic-machinima-the-art-of-voyeurism/#comment-646</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2005 14:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Er, I just realised you wrote the piece.  My bad :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Er, I just realised you wrote the piece.  My bad :P</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2005/10/10/pornographic-machinima-the-art-of-voyeurism/#comment-645</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2005 14:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2005/10/10/pornographic-machinima-the-art-of-voyeurism/#comment-645</guid>
		<description>Looks like Wired has caught up with your thoughts in relation to this:

http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,69878,00.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like Wired has caught up with your thoughts in relation to this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,69878,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,69878,00.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Voice of Reason</title>
		<link>http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2005/10/10/pornographic-machinima-the-art-of-voyeurism/#comment-641</link>
		<dc:creator>Voice of Reason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2005/10/10/pornographic-machinima-the-art-of-voyeurism/#comment-641</guid>
		<description>I've been quite interested in some of the comments here and the responses they've elicited. Particularly the last one about the kiddie porn angle.

There's been a lot of shouting recently about how violent video games can actually stimulate kids to violence in the real world. There's also, for many years, been the old 'porn-leads-to-rape' arguement.

At the end of the day, there are those people out there, who find it difficult to separate reality from fiction. Fiction 'per se' has been a mainstream source of entertainment for as long as man as lived and there will always be those who can't tell fiction from fact. These people are usually either juvenilles or adults with juvenille minds (for whatever reason). It stands to reason that, as technology improves, ways will be found to make ficticious events and images more 'real'. Look at the holodeck technology in 'Star Trek'. Any individual could act out their wildest and sickest fantasies and not be censured for it as 'it's not real'. It won't be long before real live actors do not feature in films, it will all be 'avatars'. The purists will, no doubt, raise hell, but it WILL happen, just as this kind of entertainment WILL happen.

Like the early Victorian 'etchings', through Health &#38; Efficiency in the 50's and 60's, to Playboy, Colour Climax and the current wash of both soft and hardcore porn, it's a way of people getting their jollies without resorting to actually doing the imagery they portray themselves. It's no more real than Mills and Boon or Star Trek or Coronation Street, but it fills a niche. Yes, we'll have to slap age ratings on it, but what the hell.

Remember, the only screw-ups are those people who think that their view of the world is the ONLY one!

Soap box over!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been quite interested in some of the comments here and the responses they&#8217;ve elicited. Particularly the last one about the kiddie porn angle.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s been a lot of shouting recently about how violent video games can actually stimulate kids to violence in the real world. There&#8217;s also, for many years, been the old &#8216;porn-leads-to-rape&#8217; arguement.</p>
<p>At the end of the day, there are those people out there, who find it difficult to separate reality from fiction. Fiction &#8216;per se&#8217; has been a mainstream source of entertainment for as long as man as lived and there will always be those who can&#8217;t tell fiction from fact. These people are usually either juvenilles or adults with juvenille minds (for whatever reason). It stands to reason that, as technology improves, ways will be found to make ficticious events and images more &#8216;real&#8217;. Look at the holodeck technology in &#8216;Star Trek&#8217;. Any individual could act out their wildest and sickest fantasies and not be censured for it as &#8216;it&#8217;s not real&#8217;. It won&#8217;t be long before real live actors do not feature in films, it will all be &#8216;avatars&#8217;. The purists will, no doubt, raise hell, but it WILL happen, just as this kind of entertainment WILL happen.</p>
<p>Like the early Victorian &#8216;etchings&#8217;, through Health &amp; Efficiency in the 50&#8217;s and 60&#8217;s, to Playboy, Colour Climax and the current wash of both soft and hardcore porn, it&#8217;s a way of people getting their jollies without resorting to actually doing the imagery they portray themselves. It&#8217;s no more real than Mills and Boon or Star Trek or Coronation Street, but it fills a niche. Yes, we&#8217;ll have to slap age ratings on it, but what the hell.</p>
<p>Remember, the only screw-ups are those people who think that their view of the world is the ONLY one!</p>
<p>Soap box over!</p>
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		<title>By: My Name is not important</title>
		<link>http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2005/10/10/pornographic-machinima-the-art-of-voyeurism/#comment-264</link>
		<dc:creator>My Name is not important</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2005/10/10/pornographic-machinima-the-art-of-voyeurism/#comment-264</guid>
		<description>Simple reason why some people find non-real and non-humans (anything from animals to cartoon characters to video game characters) attractive. They're screwups. And anyone who tries to legitamise jerking off to cartoon child porn with the excuse "it's okay because they aren't real!" needs to be killed, slowly, in public. Make of them an example. Make the world a better place. Legal or not, being into that shit puts you on the bottom rung of humanity.

Nip machinima porn in the bud before Machinima's good name is polluted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simple reason why some people find non-real and non-humans (anything from animals to cartoon characters to video game characters) attractive. They&#8217;re screwups. And anyone who tries to legitamise jerking off to cartoon child porn with the excuse &#8220;it&#8217;s okay because they aren&#8217;t real!&#8221; needs to be killed, slowly, in public. Make of them an example. Make the world a better place. Legal or not, being into that shit puts you on the bottom rung of humanity.</p>
<p>Nip machinima porn in the bud before Machinima&#8217;s good name is polluted.</p>
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		<title>By: Bonnie</title>
		<link>http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2005/10/10/pornographic-machinima-the-art-of-voyeurism/#comment-222</link>
		<dc:creator>Bonnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting thoughts, Ferrous.  I think what we really need, instead of all our speculating, is to talk to some sex-game players, and ask them questions about their attraction to the games.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting thoughts, Ferrous.  I think what we really need, instead of all our speculating, is to talk to some sex-game players, and ask them questions about their attraction to the games.</p>
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		<title>By: FerrousBuller</title>
		<link>http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2005/10/10/pornographic-machinima-the-art-of-voyeurism/#comment-209</link>
		<dc:creator>FerrousBuller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2005/10/10/pornographic-machinima-the-art-of-voyeurism/#comment-209</guid>
		<description>Random thoughts:

I've heard some people opine (and I'm probably restating this badly) that drawn / animated porn provides a layer of abstraction versus real porn; that the characters in the former become symbolic and as such, they become open to interpretation in ways which real porn stars can't.  Thus, "imaginary" porn is stimulating not so much for what you see, but for what it represents - the thoughts and images in provokes in your mind.

Take written erotica: it's clearly meant to be arousing, yet they're just words; the only images are the ones conjured by your imagination.  On the opposite extreme, you have "real" porn: images of actual humans engaged in sexual acts, with little left to the imagination.  Drawn or animated porn, then, falls somewhere in between: you're presented with concrete images, but you know they aren't real, so your subconscious can play with those images in ways they can't with real people.

Again: just a theory I've heard kicked around.  But which comes back around to: why would people get so hung up about sex in games?  These aren't real people, just a bunch of polygons being manipulated to simulate something - so why are some people aroused while others are offended?  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Random thoughts:</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard some people opine (and I&#8217;m probably restating this badly) that drawn / animated porn provides a layer of abstraction versus real porn; that the characters in the former become symbolic and as such, they become open to interpretation in ways which real porn stars can&#8217;t.  Thus, &#8220;imaginary&#8221; porn is stimulating not so much for what you see, but for what it represents - the thoughts and images in provokes in your mind.</p>
<p>Take written erotica: it&#8217;s clearly meant to be arousing, yet they&#8217;re just words; the only images are the ones conjured by your imagination.  On the opposite extreme, you have &#8220;real&#8221; porn: images of actual humans engaged in sexual acts, with little left to the imagination.  Drawn or animated porn, then, falls somewhere in between: you&#8217;re presented with concrete images, but you know they aren&#8217;t real, so your subconscious can play with those images in ways they can&#8217;t with real people.</p>
<p>Again: just a theory I&#8217;ve heard kicked around.  But which comes back around to: why would people get so hung up about sex in games?  These aren&#8217;t real people, just a bunch of polygons being manipulated to simulate something - so why are some people aroused while others are offended?</p>
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		<title>By: Bonnie</title>
		<link>http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2005/10/10/pornographic-machinima-the-art-of-voyeurism/#comment-203</link>
		<dc:creator>Bonnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2005 20:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, good point.  Every example I can think of of an animated boy/animal has been comic.  Although, sometimes I wonder if you can split it down the normal lines of male and female desire, since our culture does put the female form on high as an aesthetic object, and both sexes, whether they want to admit or not, come to admire it highly.  For example, I do think the cat/girl thing is striking, aesthetically.  Then again, I can't say I find it sexually arousing - and trust me, I'm the first to admit when something female makes me hot.  I'm still quite a bit pissed that my parents got off with a straight child.  At least I have a little brother; I can still hope :-).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, good point.  Every example I can think of of an animated boy/animal has been comic.  Although, sometimes I wonder if you can split it down the normal lines of male and female desire, since our culture does put the female form on high as an aesthetic object, and both sexes, whether they want to admit or not, come to admire it highly.  For example, I do think the cat/girl thing is striking, aesthetically.  Then again, I can&#8217;t say I find it sexually arousing - and trust me, I&#8217;m the first to admit when something female makes me hot.  I&#8217;m still quite a bit pissed that my parents got off with a straight child.  At least I have a little brother; I can still hope :-).</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Jon Siegel</title>
		<link>http://www.heroine-sheik.com/2005/10/10/pornographic-machinima-the-art-of-voyeurism/#comment-201</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Jon Siegel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hadn't actually thought about that, Ferrous.  You never hear about women with a thing for cat-boys, do you?  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hadn&#8217;t actually thought about that, Ferrous.  You never hear about women with a thing for cat-boys, do you?</p>
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